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By YayaCanada
My
experience
with the Labour Force Survey conducted by Statistics Canada
Other people's experiences
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Update March
8, 2004 - There have been no further attempts by StatsCan to
contact me
- it appears I have been factored into the planned-for 5% who fail to
respond
- and, so far, I'm not in jail nor have I been fined. My next
failure
to respond may have to be the Canadian
Census if things continue the way they've been going.
Update
November 18/03 - The first interview
Update
December 14/03 - Email to government officials re being harrassed
by
Stats Canada
Update December 22/03 - Apologies and explanations
from Stats Can, and my
ungrateful
reply
November
17, 2003
A
week
or so ago,
I and 51,999 other Canadian "Householders" were sent a letter stating
that
we have been "chosen" by Statistics Canada to participate, "under
the
authority
of the Statistics Act",
in a Labour Force Survey to take place once a
month
over a period of six months, in which all members of our households
over
15 years old will be interviewed.
We're
told
that each of us represents 235 Canadians, and the government relies on
our participation "to arrive at important decisions that affect the
day-to-day
lives of Canadians".
Oh,
and
although
it's a labour force survey, they mention that they sometimes ask some
really
personal "supplementary questions" such as not only the amount of our
income
but what it is spent on.
Our
addresses
were on the envelopes, but not our names, and I, for one, felt
reassured
by that, and further soothed by Stats Can's promise that the
interviewers
are "trained professionals" who are sworn to mumness.
But
then
I thought,
hey, wait a minute, if they don't know who I am, then how do they know
how many members are in my household? Wouldn't they need to know
that in order to have arrived at the figure of 235 Canadians that each
of us represents? Don't tell me they know how to cross-reference
the census forms!
So
are
they just
pretending not to know who I am? If they really don't know my
name,
then how will the interviewer be able to call on me at my security
controlled
apartment without a name to use to find the dialup code? Will
they
lurk in a dark corner of the vestibule until some unwary resident
returns
home, and then quickly sneak in before the door closes?
They
should know
right now that I don't answer my door unless I'm expecting someone, my
motto being that 99.9% of the time when someone lands unexpectedly on
my
doorstep it's not for my benefit.
Being
a
self-employed
person on the run, even my friends have to more or less make an
appointment
to see me, or leave a message so I can telephone them. So how is
Statistics Canada going to connect with me if they don't know my name
or
phone number?
Why
didn't their
letter ask me to contact the interviewer to set up an
appointment?
Why do they presume to drop in on me unexpectedly when my closest
friend
wouldn't do that to me? And the biggest question of all - what
was
the selection process that made the 52,000 Canadian households the
Chosen
Ones? "Chosen", the letter said, not "randomly chosen".
Oh,
oh... the
information pamphlet enclosed with the letter says they are using "a
sample
of 53,500 households to accurately measure"... all sort of
things.
The pamphlet itself is measured accurately enough to fit the envelope,
I can say that much in their favour.
Here's
something
even weirder:
The
pamphlet goes
on to relate the kinds of things our government learns from this type
of
survey. For instance, in 2002 it discovered that "retail
and
wholesale trade employs most people in Canada, followed closely
by
manufacturing" and that "the average hourly wage of employees was a
little
over $17 per hour."
I'm
not
lying.
I can show you the pamphlet.
Somebody
in manufacturing
clearly is making a million bucks an hour if Stats Can was able to come
up with an "average" like that. For those of you who sit too much
in the good seats with the curtains drawn, retail sales workers
traditionally
are paid minimum wage, and I can't imagine wholesale workers get a
whole
lot more.
If
Stats
Can surveys
end up so badly skewed, it would seem that we Chosen Ones are going to
be letting down approximately 235 Canadians apiece, who are just like
us,
if we participate. But any one of us failing to participate will
ruin the entire survey because Statistics Canada "cannot substitute
another
household".
Say
what?
Cannot? When there are 235 people just like me to choose from?
Stats
Can's letter
thanks us in advance, assuming we won't have the nerve to refuse.
It's
a
darn good
thing we can't foresee, when we wake up in the morning, what dilemma(s)
the day holds in store for us. If we did know, then "I shoulda
stood
in bed" might be a beforethought instead of an afterthought.....
Well,
speak of
the government, as I was writing the above on this peaceful Sunday
afternoon,
there suddenly came a loud rap-rapping at my door. They really
are
"trained professionals", I thought. They've cracked the security
code without knowing my name, or they've managed to sneak in
somehow!
Interesting that they chose a time when the super is off duty to do
their
own nefarious duty.
No,
of
course
I didn't answer the door. I look like hell. Don't you when
you're not expecting company?
After
a
brief
interval of quiet, I heard paper being shoved through the space between
door and frame. Another no-name envelope. Nothing but my
address
on it. Still pretending, are we, I thought.
It's
a
second
notice signed by "Margot, the local interviewer for Statistics
Canada".
Margot wants me to telephone her between the hours of 830 and 2030 to
arrange
an appointment for a brief interview to be conducted at MY
convenience.
Now that's more like it, and why didn't they do that in the first
place?
Margot
asks, all
innocent like, that I leave my NAME, telephone number and address when
I call, which more than implies that I'm going to be treated to her
voice
mail. Imagine that.
I'll
leave my
first name; it's only fair since she gave me hers - if indeed it's her
real name - and when she calls me back she'll encounter my voice
mail.
Then, when I call her back........
I
wonder
if Margot
has seen this Globe & Mail article: Poor
pay, poor jobs - Millions of
Canadians
earn less than $10 an hour, often working in bad conditions and getting
few benefits, but they're afraid to complain, a new report says. Only
63
per cent of Canadian employees have full-time, permanent, paid
employment,
says the CPRN report. The rest are engaged in non-standard employment.
People with permanent part-time arrangements make up 11 per cent of the
work force, full-time temporary workers account for 7 per cent,
part-time
temps make up 4 per cent of the work force and the rest are
self-employed.
Incidental
Note:
for anyone who has defaulted on a student loan (when will education
ever
be considered important enough to be free?) - you might want to
change
your name and consult a plastic surgeon because HRDC is hiring someone
to track you down. Go here
and type 90196 in the search box to see the published request for
tender.
And
whatever you
do, don't participate in an anonymous Labour Survey, because they'll
need
to know your name.
November
18,
2003 - The first interview
Yesterday
I left
a voice message asking the Stats Can interviewer to telephone me at
9:30
am today, and she did. And I answered the phone.
She
was
a nice
person, but contrary to what the letter from Stats Can said, she could
not answer all of my questions. She expressed surprise at the
discrepancies
between the letter and the pamphlet, and said she would point them out
to her superiors.
In
particular,
I stressed the skewed "average" hourly wage, and she acknowledged the
increasing
gap between the haves and the have-nots that produces such a misleading
figure.
She
said
that
a certain number of addresses in a given area are chosen to be
surveyed.
Depending on the density of population, they might pick every 25th, or
30th, or 40th residence. Something like that.
She
thought there
might be a legal obligation to comply with Stats Can's request to spill
to them, but wasn't positive; maybe there could be a fine.
I
told
her I'd
checked the Statistics Act
and saw nothing in there that clearly said I
had to comply, but if you've glanced at the Act yourself, you'll know
that
even the average Stats Can officer can't understand the convoluted
language.
Anyway,
most people
comply, she said, and very few ask the kinds of hard questions I was
asking.
That's a shame, I said, but had she considered that when she
unexpectedly
drops in on, say an immigrant family, they might feel intimidated into
compliance? No response.
I
was home
when you knocked on my door on Sunday afternoon, I said. She
apologized
for coming on Sunday afternoon. Doesn't matter what day it was, I
replied, you shouldn't just show up.
Well,
the letter
gave notice I was coming, she said, and then her voice sort of trailed
off..... She knows the letter didn't say when.
On
with
the interview,
conducted by phone, no home visit necessary. I refused to give my
last name, and she wasn't perturbed. I also refused to tell her
how
much rent I pay, since that's one of those "supplementary questions"
that
don't relate to a Labour Force Survey. No problem.
Since
I'm self-employed,
she didn't want to know how much I earn an hour, and wasn't too
bothered
when I was vague about how many hours a week I work. I have a
good
idea how many hours I work in a month but she didn't ask me that.
She asked if I had been out sick during the past week, and I assured
her
I can't afford to be sick.
And
that
was it,
except that she said she was going to hand my file over to her
supervisor
who will do the monthly followups. I laughed out loud at that,
and
she laughed too. That'll teach me to ask too many questions!
And
to
think that
there are 235 people out there, give or take a few, who are just like
me!
I
found
out later
that the Statistics Canada interviewers make $11. an hour, with
university
degrees! I don't blame this person for handing on a tough
interview
like me. She's not paid enough for the stress of it, and she's a
perfect example of why the average hourly wage statistic is so
absolutely
revolting in its hypocrisy.
Drat!
I
forgot to ask her how she got into my apartment building without
knowing
my name!
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December
14,
2003 - Letter from me to government officials re Labour Force
Survey
To: Statistics
Canada
Ann
Marie Arrowsmith
Title Unknown
Location Unknown
By email at
fe-stcontario@statcan.ca
c.c. Douglas
Newson, Director, Central
Region: newsdou@statcan.ca
cc. Ivan P Fellegi,
Chief
Statistician:
fellegi@statcan.ca
c.c. Minister of Labour,
Claudette
Bradshaw : Bradshaw.C@parl.gc.ca
c.c. Prime Minister Paul
Martin:
pm@pm.gc.ca
Re: My
Experience with Statistics Canada’s
“Labour Force Survey”
An attempt was
made to reach you by
telephone on Friday, December 12, 2003, at approximately 3:20 pm, but
the
person who answered at your 1-800 number – which was given to me in a
letter
from Douglas Newson, Director, Central Region, Statistics Canada - went
to check to see if you were in, found your office in darkness, and
concluded
that you must not have been to work that day.
This same
person wanted to know why
I was calling in case she could help, but it eventually became evident
that she could not, which was a waste of my valuable time. Adding
insult to injury, she repeatedly called me “Dear”, even after I had
pointed
out to her that I found it demeaning and unprofessional, and she had
apologized
for it.
It would
appear also that your own presence
at your Statistics Canada location is of so little consequence that the
office staff are not even certain whether or not you had even been
there
that day.
All of which
is added to a whole series
of recent indications to me that Statistics Canada is not an entirely
professional
organization.
I’m a Canadian
Citizen by birth, am
63 years old, have been a tax payer since the age of 16. I have
been
a model citizen, have never been charged with any criminal act, have
never
been in tax arrears, have never defaulted on any debt, have filled out
all census forms faithfully and honestly, and have tried very hard to
believe
that the Government of Canada knows its own business.
But now that I
have been virtually ordered
by Statistics Canada, under threat of punishment by law, to participate
in what is overtly called the “Labour Force Survey” to collect
information
about the “employed and unemployed”, I have to tell you that I am
shocked, not only at what the government has given itself the power to
demand from its employers - the Canadian people - but more so by the
lack
of professionalism exhibited by Statistics Canada representatives.
This
government department can walk
into a person's home unannounced and demand, under threat of fine or
imprisonment,
that everyone in the household provide on-the-spot information of a
personal
nature, over a period of six months, with no precise disclosure of what
the questions will be, when such visits will occur, or with whom the
collected
information will be shared. Not to mention that the Labour Force
Survey is being used as a cover under which to ask other questions,
unrelated
to this survey, the purpose of which is not disclosed.
One simply
receives a letter stating
that one has been “chosen” and must comply by law, and that this event
will happen in “a few days”, which in my case occurred a week and a
half
later on a Sunday afternoon, my only time to get some peace and
quiet.
When asked how I was chosen, the response was: “scientifically”, as if
this were an answer.
Apparently,
the government does not
have to be as considerate as one’s closest friend would be, and need
not
ask politely if I would mind a visit at such and such a time. The
letter I received was not even dated, nor was it even officially
signed,
being merely a photocopy of a form letter over the name of Douglas
Newson,
Director, Central Region.
But Paragraphs
14 and 15 of the Statistics
Act, which I found online, pretty much says that any document
“purporting
to be signed by” a Stats Can official is sufficient to command my
compliance, so a professional appearance is clearly not a
requirement.
Neither did
the letter reveal that the
interview could be done by telephone, which I discovered was quite
acceptable
when the interviewer got no response at my door and left a note asking
me to call her to arrange for a telephone interview. I’m left
wondering
why this wasn’t done in the first place.
The letter
ended by telling me I could
contact some untitled person named Nancy Guarino if I needed more
information.
But it also said that the interviewers were “trained professionals” who
could answer my questions.
My
interviewer, cryptically named “Margot”,
could not answer my questions pertaining to certain discrepancies
between
the letter I had been sent and the pamphlet enclosed with it, as well
as
what the penalty might be for non-cooperation with the survey.
I strongly
expressed to “Margot” my
perturbation at finding out just how grossly misleading Stats Canada’s
final reports on surveys can be. For instance, the pamphlet
stated
that “the average Canadian earns $17 per hour”. I’m sure this
must
be very comforting to self-serving politicos, but it has made the eyes
pop of everyone I’ve told this to, and even the interviewer was
surprised.
I found out later that Stats Canada interviewers are paid $11 an hour
as
“trained professionals”.
This
“statistic” merely points out the
huge gap between the few extremely wealthy and the multitudes of dirt
poor
in this country, and that Statistics Canada surveys are totally useless
in assessing the true situation for the “average Canadian”. But
they
do seem to function well for an increasingly right-leaning government
agenda.
Little wonder
that I suspect any information
provided to Stats Canada will used against the Canadian people rather
than
for them - for example: to justify such crookedness as the government
parlaying
budget surpluses into huge tax cuts for corporations while cutting back
on social programs due to professed lack of funds. Do I really
want
to assist with this travesty? No, I do not. But have I
cooperated?
Yes I have, to the best of my ability and conscience.
“Margot” the
interviewer was a very
nice and patient person, and I did answer all the questions that
applied,
considering that I am neither an employee nor an employer, but am a
registered
Sole Proprietorship.
I feel that
“Margot” recorded my responses
faithfully. What happened to them after that is anyone’s guess,
because
I am since being harassed for non-cooperation.
I did refuse
to answer one question
- how much rent I pay - which the interviewer admitted has nothing at
all
to do with the Labour Force Survey, but is one of those questions that
Statistics Canada is trying to sneak in under cover of the Labour Force
Survey.
Since “Margot”
couldn’t answer all of
my questions, she advised me that her supervisor would be doing the
next
interview, in a month’s time, and we ended the conversation
amicably.
Within a week
or so, someone named “Denise”
left me a voice message late in the evening, asking me to call
her.
I called her the next morning, and she said that she was the supervisor
for the Labour Force Survey. But it quickly became obvious she
couldn’t
remember why she had called me. She made a few guesses in the
hope
that I would fill in the blanks, but the guesses were all wrong.
She thought maybe I had a complaint about the interviewer. Wrong.
She thought I might be someone from Renfrew. Wrong again.
What she did
seem to remember was that
she needed me to promise that I would comply with the Labour Force
Survey,
but of course I had complied, and her question proved to me that she
had
no clue whatever about me or the reasons for her call, and I told her
so.
She repeated several times that she had turned over the information to
“the computer” and that’s why she couldn’t recall it, and quite frankly
she was scaring me with her apparent mental fuzziness, so when she
persisted
in trying to extract a promise from me, I told her to stop harassing
me,
and advised her that I was hanging up the phone.
Judging from
the phone numbers I had
been asked to call, the interviewer and her supervisor are outsourced
personnel,
operating from their private homes. I doubt very much that these
homes are secret cleared, and I doubt very much that everyone in the
household
is secret cleared. So if one of these outsourced persons, god
forbid,
has a criminal relative, that relative has access to my complete
address,
and knows that I am an elderly single woman living alone.
So much for
the “security” that Stats
Canada touts for the information contained in their surveys.
Well, speaking
of being harassed, I’ve
now received another letter - this time a dated one, December 8,
2003 - from Stats Canada, again over Douglas Newson’s photocopied
signature.
In this latest
letter: Mr. Newson (or
his ghost writer) states he understands “from Claire Arcand, the Senior
Interviewer” in my area, that I was “reluctant to disclose
information….for
use in the current Canadian Labour Force Survey.” He enclosed the
Statistics Act,
which he claims I requested - but of course I had not
since
I had already viewed it online - which Act “leaves no doubt that each
individual
is expected by law to supply information when requested to do so.”
The document
that purports to be the Statistics Act,
both online and in the hard copy Mr. Newson provided,
contains
the disclaimer that it is for convenience of reference only and, as
such,
has no official sanction - yet this is what I am referred to in order
to
convince me that I must comply under the law.
The compelling
paragraph (31) is preceded
with: “Every person who, without lawful excuse”. I can’t help
wondering
what constitutes “lawful excuse” and who manages to get exempted from
compliance.
I wonder if anyone at Stats Canada knows what constitutes “lawful
excuse”
since they use only the abbreviated version of the Act. I wonder
if the fact that I am neither an employee nor unemployed in any way
constitutes
“lawful excuse”.
Mr. Newson
wants me to believe that
his perceived non-cooperation on my part will screw up the whole
survey.
What about the people who have “lawful excuse”? Do they screw it
up even further?
I am most
certainly wondering who Claire
Arcand is. I’ve never spoken with this person, yet the
implication
is that I have, and that s/he has been requested to call me “again” in
December. The hope is expressed that I will reconsider my previous
“decision”
because “accurate information on the number of people who are employed
or unemployed is extremely important”.
What
decision? My decision not
to cooperate with the Labour Force Survey? I have so far
cooperated
fully with questions related to the Labour Force Survey.
And I must say
that when one is a business
it’s not easy to answer such questions as: “how many hours do you work
a week” without advance notice in order to average out my time spent
with
clients over the year. I had to guess at that. So much for
the accuracy of the survey.
And whether or
not I was “out sick”
in the week prior to the interview seems of little relevance, but I did
answer that I cannot afford to be “out sick” – or, for that matter, to
leave my office in darkness for no reason that anyone else is aware
of.
The letter
closes with “If you have
any further questions please call Ann Marie Arrowsmith at”….the same
number
as I was earlier instructed to use for Nancy Guarino. Whatever
happened
to Ms. Guarino, I wonder? Is her office now in permanent
darkness?
It’s seems
apparent that quite a few
of Stats Can’s people have plenty of time to press this issue with me,
but not the acuity to understand what I have already told them and
asked
them.
Having no
advance idea of what questions
will be asked of me in future interviews scheduled over the next six
months,
I can’t say that I will answer all of them if they have nothing to do
with
the Labour Force Survey, but I hear that Ottawa’s jails are kept in a
putrid
and disgusting condition, and I have been wanting to find out for
myself
if this is true, so if Stats Canada wants to toss me there for
non-compliance,
I’m ready.
I confess that
I might actually have
been persuaded to comply with all questions had Statistics Canada been
more up front about their agenda, and had the demeanour of certain of
its
representatives and the quality of its written material convinced
me of the efficacy and professionalism that it touts for itself.
But I am now less inclined than before to answer any questions
unrelated
to the Labour Force Survey.
Since the
events of September 11, 2001,
and the increasing loss of freedoms for ordinary Canadians, and
invasions
into personal privacy that have occurred as a result of hysterical
paranoia
(or cynical design?) on the part of Canadian officialdom - while
ordinary Canadians are much more preoccupied with scratching out a
living
and not getting cancer - I’m afraid I have very little faith in the
integrity
of this latest information gathering frenzy.
Can you
imagine the fear that immigrant
families, who have come here from oppressive countries, must feel when
a government representative arrives on their doorstep without an
appointment,
and all members of their households are questioned about their daily
activities
and told they must comply or face fine or imprisonment? Whatever
happened to the True North Strong and Free, the refuge from
tyranny?
None of the
platitudes offered by Statistics
Canada have reassured me; in fact they have been responsible for making
me feel less secure where my government is concerned. The reason
I have chosen to put all this in writing, instead of telephoning as
advised,
is because my spoken words have been misconstrued too often already by
Statistics Canada representatives.
Therefore, in
future, if Statistics
Canada has any further questions to ask me with regard to any survey, I
am afraid I must request that this be done in writing, and I will
respond
in writing.
Please be
advised that this whole episode,
from start to finish, is being posted on my website for information to
other Canadians, although I hear the government is also seeking powers
to shut down websites it doesn't like.
Yours truly,
“The Householder”
(Address)
yayacanada.com
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Email
purporting
to be from Douglas Newson, Director, Central Region, Statistics Canada
(but I hae me doots it's really from Mr. Newson). Check the
font.
Exactly as received. Pretty, huh?
From:
fe-stcontario@statcan.ca
Cc:
Ivan.P.Fellegi@a.statcan.ca
; AnnMarie.Arrowsmith@a.statcan.ca ; Nancy.Guarino@a.statcan.ca
Sent:
Monday,
December 22, 2003 3:55 PM
Subject:
Your
email to Statistics Canada
Dear
Ms. Allan:
Thank
you for your email sent to the attention of our Project Supervisor, Ann
Marie Arrowsmith and bringing your experience to our attention. I want
to sincerely apologize on behalf of Statistics Canada for the
difficulties
you've encountered. We endeavour to provide a high quality of service
to
the public, however at times we don't meet our objectives. Your
comments
will be helpful in a review of our procedures.
We
acknowledge the letter sent to you originally was a photocopy. As the
letter
states, yours is one of 52,000 households selected to participate. It
would
not be practical for each to be personally signed. The reason the
letter is not dated is that these letters are sent on a monthly basis.
It is less expensive and more practical to produce these letters in
larger
quantities to cover a year's requirement.
We
regret that you felt "ordered by Statistics Canada, under threat of
punishment
by law, to participate." This was certainly not our intention. However,
it is our policy as well as our obligation to inform those
selected
for a survey whether their participation is voluntary or
mandatory,
as determined by the Statistics Act. In the case of the Labour Force
Survey,
participation is mandatory and this statement is included in the
original
letter sent to you. There is no mention of fines or penalties in the
letter,
and our interviewers are not well-versed on these precisely to avoid
people
feeling threatened. The Project Supervisors and Managers try to be
available
to answer these questions and a copy of the Statistics Act is posted on
our website, as you have noted.
I
would like to address your comment that we have not been up front with
our intentions. Indeed, most of the things you felt we have
not told you were included in the literature and letters sent to
you. Both our brochure and letter give a general outline of the topics
the questions will address including "jobs, education and training,
housing,
retirement and family life." As the questions vary with each individual
circumstance, it is not possible to provide a complete list
of questions at this point.
In
answer to another question, the rent part of the
survey
is used to calculate the rent portion of the Consumer Price Index
(CPI),
often referred to as the cost of living index. The rent data can have a
particularly large impact on the CPI. The rent index accounts for
approximately
7% of the All-items CPI. As an example, this means that if rents were
to
increase by 10% from one month to the next, the All-items CPI would
rise
approximately 1%. Since the CPI is used for negotiating salaries and
wages,
indexing pensions, and calculating the cost of goods and services, such
an increase would have an impact on the economy amounting to billions
of
dollars. This information is part of the interviewer training
program
so that they can answer any questions. However, based on your comments,
we will be reviewing this material with our interviewers again.
The
selection of the sample consists of a random selection of all
private
households in Canada, designed to ensure an accurate
representation of all provinces and regions in the country. For
complete
details about the sampling and methodology of the Labour Force Survey,
please see the attached "Guide to the Labour Force Survey (Revised
February
2003), Catalogue Number 71-543-GIE ", also available for download from
our website at
http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/71-543-GIE/free.htm.
You
state that we do not disclose "with whom the collected information will
be shared." Please note that it is our policy that if there is a data
sharing
agreement between Statistics Canada and another organization, we
will
only share your data with your express agreement. In the case of
the Labour Force Survey however, there is no sharing agreement in
place.
Indeed our brochure outlines that "information that could identify an
individual
is never released to anyone, not even other government departments. . .
Your information is kept strictly confidential and is used only for
statistical
information." Only data published in aggregate form is available.
We have attached a copy of the Labour Force Survey publication
(Statistics
Canada Catalogue Number 71-001-XIE) for the week of November 15,
2003
for your inspection. (You will need Adobe Reader to view,
available
free at www.adobe.com)
With
regards to your question about why the introductory letter
doesn't state that it was acceptable to do the survey as a telephone
interview,
and "why this wasn't done in the first place": I draw your attention
again
to the brochure which states that "all interviews after the first one
may
be completed by telephone." We attempt to conduct the interview at a
time
that is convenient for you, within the time period given us to complete
the survey (one week per month.) The initial interview is conducted in
person to allow you to meet our interviewer and confirm their
identification.
If, after several attempts, contact in person hasn't been established,
our interviewers are instructed to make an active offer to complete the
interview by telephone. This allows us to accommodate people's
schedules
and wishes while at the same reduce costs. Subsequent interviews are
generally
conducted by telephone from one of our offices in Ontario.
Statistics
Canada interviewers are employees of Statistics Canada, sworn to
secrecy.
Because of the nature and location of their work, some work from secure
areas in their homes. The information is protected by the Statistics
Act,
and they are subject to severe fines and penalties for any breach of
confidentiality.
Information collected on their laptops computers is immediately
encrypted
and would be useless to anyone without proper authorization.
The
Project Supervisor, Ann Marie Arrowsmith will call you after January
20,
2004 to collect the information for January. Ms. Allan, we hope we can
count on your future cooperation, and will try to do better in the
future.
Thank
you
Sincerely
yours,
Douglas
Newson
Director,
Central Region
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To: Statistics
Canada
Ann
Marie Arrowsmith
"The Project
Supervisor"
Location Unknown
By email at
fe-stcontario@statcan.ca
Dear Ms.
Arrowsmith:
I am replying
to you because I feel
certain that the email over the name of Douglas Newson, Director,
Central
Region, was from you and not Mr. Newson, since it came from the email
address
given for you: fe-stcontario@statcan.ca, and not from the email address
listed for Douglas Newson in the GEDS:
newsdou@statcan.ca.
Again I am
copying my remarks and yours
to the Minister of Labour and the Prime Minister's office, because my
original
email was copied to them, and your response to me was not copied to
them.
It seems the people who should know these things are kept in the dark,
and yet they still imagine they can run the country.
You seem to
have not thought of the
possibility that your initial letter announcing the survey could have
asked
interviewees to telephone a number in order to respond to the survey by
telephone. I'm sure people would have had no doubt they were
calling
Statistics Canada.
Instead, the
letter simply asserts that
an interviewer will "contact you" in the next few days. In
another
place it says the interviewer will "call" once a month. Yet there
is no mention at all of knocking on one's door unexpectedly on a Sunday
afternoon, which is what occurred in my case - in a "security"
apartment
building, no less, with that person ostensibly not knowing my
name!
A wasted visit, and a waste of the taxpayer's money I might add, since
I never answer my door unless I'm expecting someone - which I am sure
you
will agree is a sensible thing for an old woman living alone to do.
I can't help
wondering why you don't
want to say outright that the first visit will be a knock on the door
at
a time not pre-arranged. You may think you are doing things for
the
convenience of the respondent, but you are not. So again, one has
to wonder why.
Furthermore,
in spite of your repeated
platitudes, I am not convinced of the confidentiality of any government
information, especially in light of the fact that the government is
setting
up an arrangement with the United States that even Revenue
Canada information can be shared with that country if deemed
necessary
for reasons of "national security". And in view of other scandals
in the government involving leaked secret information, I don't know how
you can feel so certain, unless you don't keep up on the news.
You say that
no threat of penalty was
implied in your requests for information. This is simply not
true.
In both letters I received, the "authority" of the Statistics Act
and
my
legal responsibility under that Act were stressed, and Section 31 of
the
Act makes it quite clear that there is a penalty for
non-compliance.
It certainly does seem that you want the public to believe they have no
choice in the matter.
In your email,
you state that the public
is informed in the accompanying pamphlet that information will also be
requested that is not part of the Labour Force Survey. This is
the
pamphlet that states "53,500" households, contradicting the
accompanying
letter that states "52,000" households. This the pamphlet that
tells
the lie that the average Canadian earns $17 an hour. And, oh yes,
this is also the pamphlet that very quietly, in one small line, says:
"The
survey sometimes includes a number of supplementary questions...."
I have
carefully reviewed the pdf documents
you attached outlining the details of the Labour Force Survey.
There
is no mention of any "supplementary questions".
Therefore, I
repeat my offer to cooperate
in answering questions having to do solely with employment - as long as
those questions are sent to me in writing.
For all other
information, I suggest
you contact Revenue Canada, as the United States intends to do.
Looking ahead
- a number of Canadians
I have talked to are very concerned that the upcoming Canadian census
will
be contracted
out to Lockheed-Martin, an American company of questionable
repute.
This will certainly enhance access to Canadian information by the U.S.
- whether or not Lockheed-Martin is required to swear a million oaths.
I think this
is a move that should be
seriously reconsidered. Otherwise, you'd better be prepared for thousands
of intractable people just like me when census time rolls around.
Thank you for
at least trying to reassure
me and answer my questions. I do realize you are just doing your
job. But I'm just doing mine also, which is the job of all
ordinary
Canadians who are not on the government's payroll - to see that the
government
works for us and not we for the government.
Sincerely,
Corinne Allan
(Address)
http://www.yayacanada.com
Reader
comments:
From: Anonymous
Date: February 20, 2008
Labour Force Survey Chosen One
My Labour Force Survey experience appears to be quite similiar to your
own. I also was 'late' in participating in the census. I wonder if this
is a factor in being 'chosen'.
The interviewer also managed to get into my apartment building somehow,
after the Manager was off duty and knock at my door. The night before I
had found the letter taped to the outside. I don't recall receiving any
letter in the mail, but if my name wasn't on it I may have tossed it in
the blue box with the other junk mail.
And yes he/she asked me what I payed in rent and how much I earned and
a number of other personal questions.
One thing that struck me is after I answered the door with out inviting
she/he in he/she basically just waltzed in and sat themselves down in
my apartment after flashing his official i.d. tag. The tag had only the
persons first name.
It was all VERY weird.
Does the government really have this kind of power? Scary. And it seems
I have six more months of this to look forward to.
Oh I also forgot he mentioned right at the beginning of the interview
'And I understand you xxxx for a living?' How did he/she find out if
they didn't even have my name on the envelope or letter taped to my
door?
Major creepy. It kind of makes you wonder what else the government is
up to under the 'Terror' acts and the like.
Hey I was born in the country, I could just imagine how some recent
immigrant would react. The Power of the Mighty State...
YYC: Hi and thanks
very much for sharing your experience with the Labour Force Survey and
helping to keep this issue alive.
The person who came to your home wasn't an employee of the government,
and that was not their real first name. (Their privacy is
respected.) The government outsources this work to contractors
who hire low-waged workers to do the interviews. They are
probably paid by piecework (I have it on good authority that the census
workers were) so if they don't get the job done they don't get any
money, and that may account for their pushing their way in like a
vacuum cleaner salesperson.
Congratulations on being "late" with the census! I should tell
you that I was Chosen before I even had a chance to mess with the
census. But, come to think of it, I had started a political blog
several month prior to being Chosen! But I was assured that the
selections were made quite scientifically, even though they didn't say
exactly how.
When I was helping to leaflet with the Raging Grannies prior to the
census, I was amazed at how many people said they never complete their
census forms. And they weren't immigrants.
You're right about immigrants. They very likely feel quite
intimidated, and have flash backs of horror. And I can see that
you are still feeling exposed, because even though you are writing to
me anonymously, you hesitate to say whether the interviewer was male or
female, as if doing so could somehow identify you.
But no, the government obviously does not (yet) legally have this kind
of power. If they did I would have been fined or sent to jail for
refusing to answer the personal questions that had nothing to do with
the Labour Force Survey. The government still has to pay lip service to
democracy and the right to privacy. They know they are pulling a fast
one by sliding in those questions. I'm pretty sure I could have
won if it had come to a court case.
I think, however, that the government is working on getting that kind
of power. The only way to stop them is to en masse not
comply. They can't jail the whole country.
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From: "jon"
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: Canada's
Labour Force Survey
I’m riveted to this site!
I just received “the letter”!!! I did not take part in the census, and
I certainly will not be taking part in the labour force survey!
Come hell or high water, I have a right to privacy. There are how many
million Canadians....find someone who is ok with this process? Leave me
alone.
On the subject of the census, other than harassing behavior from so
called government officials ect...absolutely nothing happened to me! No
charges, no fines, nothing.
But what did happen was more hurtful and dangerous. A rift between me
and my wife. I said I didn’t want any of my personal information given,
so as a result of that, my wife says I infringed on her right to be
counted? In order for her to “lawfully” answer the census questions,
she would have to reveal personal info about me. She actually doesn’t
care about the information part of it, she just wants to do the right
thing legally, and not get into trouble. If this doesn’t constitute
psychological intimidation, I don’t know what does? We continue to work
through this issue.
Now that this labour force survey has arrived, it’s created a problem
in the marriage again, apparently the Government of Canada will collect
this information AT ANY COST. I suppose this type of punishment is
effective, and doesn’t cost the government a cent. It would be
expensive to drag me into court, it’s much cheaper to just ruin my
life? All because I have a right to privacy in Canada. Now don’t get me
wrong, my marriage is NOT in danger of ending, but this is an
un-necessary issue for us to be dealing with.
Question, why did you do the census, but you list vivelecanada as a
link? Also, all of your concerns regarding the labour force survey are
relative to the census as well?
Keep up the good work, I love your writing!
YYC: Jon, thanks so much for
your
input. Among other things, you have made me realize that my
unattached
state was an advantage with regard to the census and the labour force
survey. :-) Joking aside, I know it's difficult to protest when
people
you love are or feel adversely affected by it.
The Count Me Out campaign included the option
of messing up your
census, and I thought that might be fun. I have a choice of three
given names and
two last names so it wasn't difficult to make Stats Canada think I
hadn't responded to the census wthout actually telling a lie. I also
accidentally spilled some
white-out on the bar code and forgot to include my phone number. Stuff
like that. Stats Can slid reminders occasionally under my door, but
eventually they quit trying. Somebody may have remembered me from
the
labour force survey and thrown up their hands.
With regard to relating the labour survey to the
census, I have no
faith at all that either are kept from US eyes. I'm told,
however,
that Stats Can expects about 5% of the population will not respond.
When I was leafleting with the Raging Grannies to warn people about the
privacy issue, you wouldn't believe the number of people who told me
flat out that they never fill out their census forms.
Occasionally, the government does try to follow through and fine
somebody, but it's hard to say what criteria they use for choosing who
they're going to try to stick it to.
I hope this answers your questions. If
not, let me know. Thanks
so much for your loyal readership! And best of luck in your own
battle
for personal privacy.
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From: "Tom"
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:11 PM
Subject: Labour "Forced" Survey
It's
funny what you find when you Google some, what you would think, obscure
problem. [The
Chosen Ones -
YYC's experience with Stats Can Survey] Not sure if you are still
updating your site, but here's my saga.
I too have been harassed by StatsCan for the past three months.
It started with a letter, supposedly, addressed to Householder,
which I'm sure I would have tossed in the blue box before it
entered the house. Then someone arrived at the door at 8:30
- 9:00 at night saying they were here to do the survey. I
stopped her before she could explain, saying I don't do surveys, buy
things or converse about the end of the world, at the door.
She got indignant, saying it was the law, I had to comply. She
wanted to arranged another time. I said I was not going to spend
anymore time with her as I'm up for work before 4:30am and she
was disturbing my privacy. She asked if a phone interview
was better. I said yes. First mistake! Gave out
my phone #. She wanted my name too. Refused. I
reminder her this was an anonymous survey!!! She restated how
little time it would take and wanted to do it now. Said it was
important she get it done as she had many others to do. Informed
her she was now trespassing and ordered her off the property.
Closed the door and she was still talking.
Then got a call a week later from someone to do the survey. I
said no I wasn't available at the moment. More threats of
compliance. She wanted a time when to call back. Gave her a
day and time, but added I would not be bound by it. A male called at
the specified time. Went through the survey. Answered very
few of the questions, as he informed me if I was not comfortable with
any question, I did not have to answer. The thing that really
bothered me was that they wanted answers to personal questions about
others in the house and it was ok if I answered for them!!!
We finished after a few minutes because I answered so few.
He thanked me and that was it. A few weeks later someone calls late at
night again to do the survey again? I said I already did
it. They said it would be ongoing for SIX MONTHS!!! I said
not with me it won't be, and I was never informed of this. More
threats of compliance. I informed them I was not available now
and could not for see when I would be in the future. Also said I
found the questions to be invasive and I could not answer the
majority of them, so my info was not going to be valid.
A few days later another call. This time they knew my first
name? I insisted on knowing how the got that as I am not listed
by phone# The person did not know, but said the only way was that
I gave it too them. I told then this was invasive and
unacceptable and not to call again. Hung up. The called
again. No answer.
Few weeks later another call. This time I asked to speak to a
supervisor as I was tired of being harassed by them. No one
available. Will call back though. Next day, a person
identifying herself as a supervisor called to hear my complaint.
I stated my
case. She did not have any answers as to my first name being
known. In the end she said she would take care of having me
removed form the call list.
A few days later another call wanting to do the survey???
Told them I was told I was being removed from the call list and
not to call again.
I can't believe my gov't waste my money to harass me like this.
Recently I got a letter couriered to me, or I should say to "My first
name X Householder" from Director Douglas Newson saying he is aware of
my wish not to take part, but said it was law and someone would be
calling in a few days to do the survey.
They can call all they want as we recently adopted a policy, part
because of this and many similar calls, of not answering any call
where the call display does not identify the caller properly.
I'm curious as to how they force someone to comply when they
don't know who they are. Can I expect the RCMP to arrive
and take me away and anyone else in the house? I'm the only one
they have had any contact with, but everyone must be guilty? It's just
infuriating that they would go to such lengths to pursue what must be
obviously a dead end and of no value to the survey. According the
StatsCan's site around 7% of the group do not answer in
some way after repeated attempts. I say move on to the
next. They wasted enough of my money by now.
To be continued..........
YYC: Great going,
Tom! I'm impressed by your firm resistance in the face of so much
pressure.
Some of that high pressure is due to the fact
(so I've been told by someone at StatCan) that the survey workers are
only paid for the information they return. But ALL of the high
pressure is due to the government's tactics both with the citizens and
with the survey workers.
The same person told me that StatCan had NEVER
seen anyone like me before! I found that hard to believe, and now
I know it isn't true at all.
The right to privacy is probably the single
most important feature of a democracy. If that's lost, all is
eventually lost. People who dismiss these concerns with, "It
doesn't bother me; I've nothing to hide" are risking eventually,
literally, having nothing of their own.
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From: Jason
To: yayacanada.com
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 6:08 PM
Subject: Finally, my kind of public supporting website
Yes, ME TOO! Harassed by Stats Canada. I have read your
entire website documentation.
I am a proud Canadian citizen. I too have no tax arrears, no criminal
charges, etc. I just have problem with divulging personal information
to anyone no matter what source or confidentiality agreement they claim
to make or have.
My first contact was too in the form of a letter. Great I thought, next
to the demanding 60-70 hours per week operating my business, I now must
spend excess time speaking to someone on the telephone while ignoring
my friends and family whom I rather be talking too but just don't have
the time.
Stats Canada survey information collector "assigned" to my "household"
turns out to be a individual who lives less than 5 minutes away and we
live in a community of 5,000 citizens! Sure, I want to divulge my
personal information to this collector so that she could possibly slip
it out during the chit chat session at the local hair salon. I
ask her to leave the property.
NEXT, this individual returns on a SUNDAY AFTERNOON while I am swimming
with my family in the BACK YARD!!! Ok, now I threaten to press
trespassing charges. Fair to say that this information collector
has never been seen since. Not that the threat would likely have any
affect anyhow.
NEXT, without no surprise we receive at least 2 telephone calls per day
from Statistics Canada asking for participate in the Labour Force
Survey. The first information collector admitted she gathered my
telephone number from the local telephone book and obviously forwarded
it to head office. Since most of my time is away from home, like a
normal 60+ hour working business man, Stats Canada started to harass my
spouse and collect her information. She too has now refused to provide
any information.
My "lawful excuse" is simple. I'm too busy to talk to Stats Canada and
I'd rather focus my attention on my family and employees. Since I have
already conduct the mandatory Business Labour Force Survey!!!!!!!
Why can't I exercise the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - 8)
Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or
seizure. I guess their definition of unreasonable is different than
mine! Either way I will continue my campaign to ignore the
continued telephone calls each day and continue to live up to my belief
that my personnel business is my personnel business unless it
threatens, harms, or otherwise negatively affects other citizens of
this country.
Keep up the great work. Your suggestions are very welcoming. Any
further support you can provide is appreciated in advance.
YYC:
Thank
you so much for your note,
Jason. The fact that the person they sent to your home was not a
regular Statistics Canada employee, but virtually your own neighbour in
a small community, is absolute proof that they have failed to protect
your anonymity. I would be raising hell about that right up to
the top of the government if I were in your shoes.
Beyond that, all I can offer is my congratulations on a protest well
done, Jason. You and the others who have written their
experiences support me as well. Would you believe that I heard
from an acquaintance who works at Statistics Canada that the people
involved with the Labour Force Survey told her they had never
encountered anyone like me! One thing I know for sure - I'm a
fairly normal person and if I'm bothered by something, I can't possibly
be the only one. You can feel comforted by the fact that there
are plenty more out there like you and me. |
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March 4,
2005
From "Corinne":
We operate a family farm. We too have been harassed by Stats
Canada to provide information that we feel they have no business
knowing.
We have just received the Farm Financial Survey 2005. This
document has over 200 questions. Most of the questions are of a
very personal financial nature, to the point that they want to know if
we have any short-term or long-term liability owing to family
members!!!.
The cover letter states they are collecting the data "to monitor the
industry and as a result, be more responsive to the needs of
producers". I almost passed out from laughing so hard. I
can not speak for others, but I know that as a grain and cattle
producer, the government sure hasn't been "responsive". If some
of the programs they have implemented so far are indicative of the type
of support they are planning to give - all I can say is heaven help us
all. Their most recent fiasco, the CAIS program, looks good on
paper until you realize, that even small family operations, have to
deposit huge amounts of money in order to participate. I'm sorry,
but if I had that kind of money, I wouldn't need to be in the program.
This letter was also a photocopy, accompanied by the threat that we
were required by The Statistics Act to participate in the survey.
It goes on to state that the survey was to be completed and that we
were to keep it and an interviewer from Statistics Canada will
telephone us sometime in April or May to obtain the reponses. Are
these people insane!! Spring seeding is one of the busiest times
of the year for farmers. If they are lucky enough to find us in
the house, I doubt we will have the time or inclination to go over 200
questions of that nature with someone we don't even know over the phone.
Upon receiving this "survey", I did some research on the Statistics
Canada Act and also found out that you must have a "lawful excuse" for
not participating. I was unsuccessful at determining exactly what
this means or obtaining some examples of lawful excuses.
Hopefully, on our case, "it's none of your damn business" qualifies.
Keep up the fight.
YYC:
Very
nice to hear from someone
else named "Corinne", and to find out you are also feisty. I
don't mean to incite, but in my opinion "it's none of your damn
business" does qualify as a lawful excuse. There's a so-called
privacy act, but it doesn't apply to an agency that has sworn an oath
to protect your information, even if that agency doesn't have the
foggiest idea how to go about doing that in this age of technology, and
even if it's run by a corrupt government. The only real
protection is if enough people refuse to comply.
Not having a farming background, I was not aware of what the CAIS
program consists of, but having now looked into it, it appears that
it's the banks who stand to gain the most. Like all government
instituted programs, the language is so convoluted that one can only
hope there are benefits for the participants - who are expected
to deposit a sizeable portion of their income into the plan. And
in order to come up with official numbers that can be skewed
sufficiently well to properly PR the touted efficacy of the plan,
farmers must strip naked and be examined by Statistics Canada.
Like I always say about insurance - it's a way of keeping us living at
a lower standard in order to guarantee that if anything goes wrong we
will be able to live at an even lower standard, while the insurance
folks live at a very high standard indeed. But the invasiveness
of Stats Canada adds assault to the wound. |
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December
19, 2004
Re:
"The Chosen Ones"
From:
Ron
I
too have been harrassed over this
information about how much my wife and i make how much we pay a month
for rent. I refuse to give this information regarding my wages and
other personal questions. They seem too make it clear that for some
reason that if i don't comply i will be severly penalied for this
dyfing act. Road to surfdom i feel is on its way beware.
The
whole of society will become a single
office and a single factory with equality of work and eguality of pay.
> lennin 1917. The change has begun for the people of north
and south.
YYC: Yeah, except
that with Communism, the idea was to prevent the "elite" from extorting
all the dough. We have fewer and fewer safeguards to prevent that
here.
We need more people
like you, Ron. I hope that you and all Canadians will think
seriously about whether or not they are going to comply with the 2006
Census being conducted by the Canadian store front for the American
weapons manufacturer Lockheed Martin, whose loyalty most certainly is
not to Canada. |
Links
to websites advocating boycott of
Canada's 2006 Census
ViveleCanada:
Report Proves Canadian Census Info Not Safe With Lockheed Martin
CanContent:
2006 Canadian Census and National Missile Defence - Two stones in the
same swamp
yayacanada.com
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